TheXTech: Possible Changes to the Fire Toad and Ice Toad Sprites

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What option, if any, do you prefer?

Poll runs till 7 May 2021, 17:05

1. The Talking Time Sprites should become the default ones.
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2. Only Ice & Fire Toad get updated, but retain the SMB2 Style.
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+KZ
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3. Don't change anything.
0
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4. Different Approach (please comment).
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Guih48
14%
 
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Post #1by Olhi » 3 May 2021, 17:05

TheXTech: Possible Changes to the Fire Toad and Ice Toad Sprites

I'd like to discuss a minor, but irritating issue with the default Toad sprites. The Fire Toad is the normal Toad sprite with the red dots being recolored to blue. This has caused confusion for Mario Maker and NSMBU Players, as blue is the default color of the Toad playable there.

SMBX Toad v SMM Toad.png
SMBX Ice Toad.png
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Even ignoring that, a minor color change doesn't do a good job at indicating a Power Up. Same applies to the Ice Toad.

I'd therefore like to propose two possible improvements:

1. REPLACE THE TOAD SPRITES WITH THOSE FROM SUPER TALKING TIME BROS.

This is my favorite approach. I do it for my private sets, and those that I share with others.

Talking Time Toad.png


It has several advantages:

+ Full Consistency with modern Nintendo Games
+ Clearer Implication of Powered Up states
+ A more harmonic alignment with the often used SMB3 aesthetics
+ The Character feels more unique than a Red Toad would


However, there is also a disadvantage:

- It may cause distortion with Story Elements that assume a Red Toad

Modern Toad Distortion.gif
GIF of a Scene from Super RMN Bros. 3 / All-Stars (click to play)


2. CHANGE ONLY THE FIRE AND ICE SPRITES TO BE MORE SIMILAR TO SMM/NSMBU

Possible SMB2 Toad Update.png
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+ Clearer Implication of Powered Up states
+ Default sprites retains consistency with old episodes & SMB2, Fire/Ice Sprites get consistency with modern games
+ SMB2-Style aligns with Toad's health system


- SMB2-Style may stand out negatively from it's environment, especially in the presence of other Toads
- Red Toads are generic


NPC.png
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Personally I favor the first option, and most people that I have asked prefer the TTB Sprites as well. But either of these options would be an improvement imo, so I look forward to read what you have to say!

Sources for SMM/NSMBU Pics:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qYNJNLVQ6Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8YnOuwmWH4

Super Talking Time Bros. Games:

https://rpgmaker.net/games/4043/
https://rpgmaker.net/games/5255/

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New Toad sprite idea

Post #2by Guih48 » 3 May 2021, 20:33

I think, that would better fit with SMBX, if the fire toad sprite would not change, and the ice toad's cap would have exchanged colors (and blue would be a bit darker).

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Post #3by +KZ » 3 May 2021, 23:19

I like the idea, but the truth is a little bad that some episodes are broken because of that
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Post #4by Wohlstand » 5 May 2021, 12:35

Hi there!

After some reviewing and thinking, it's possible to provide both sets (old and new) and let use one of them by user's choice. The only condition new Toad should match by the shape with the old to prevent possible mask glitches when playing old episodes with masked GIFs and where Toad's recolor hadn't provided the masks.

Or something also.

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Post #5by Olhi » 5 May 2021, 20:19

Wohlstand wrote:The only condition new Toad should match by the shape with the old

effect-130 and toad-6 are identical, everything else has to be changed:

Vanilla Toad and TTB Toad md5sum

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97b53f74d60293fa383cc5f47451f608  effect-130m.gif 97b53f74d60293fa383cc5f47451f608 ✓
5ba06a1483d45d5eb7daa4bc72d8a550  player-4m.gif f832365b30a02638c637e30be390ac11 X
b8ad20938e4711a36b04ccef67fdf908  toad-1m.gif fd9a22a2671c676c59926eaa0d7fcb86 X
2b10bc269880093a11cd8995b56d61f1  toad-2m.gif 88a3ba6e100ac143df4b75b8c6ec537e X
2b10bc269880093a11cd8995b56d61f1  toad-3m.gif 88a3ba6e100ac143df4b75b8c6ec537e X
736adbc580be0bf9daf41a176756f7c2  toad-4m.gif 0c5bebc5b2b0eef7455f5b9e3f2b0066 X
af7e6bd60f80d5eb38f32b4f37eef884  toad-5m.gif 51d090e2ab6164be5eb352cabc6b2249 X
84f1192ccf9ce6cd960e34ba187f012c  toad-6m.gif 84f1192ccf9ce6cd960e34ba187f012c ✓
2b10bc269880093a11cd8995b56d61f1  toad-7m.gif 88a3ba6e100ac143df4b75b8c6ec537e X

I'm gonna look into reshaping the Talking Toad, but it will probably take me a week or two. In the meanwhile, I have made an edit of the Fire and Ice Toad for the SMB2 set:

toad-3.png
SMB2 Fire Toad
toad-7.png
SMB2 Ice Toad


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